tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post4297411595700894458..comments2023-11-02T01:20:32.436-07:00Comments on The Forbidden Gospels: Apocryphote of the Day: 5-8-08April DeConickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06616757055618151612noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-54709228634893517202008-05-08T19:06:00.000-07:002008-05-08T19:06:00.000-07:00Great apocryphote. Like jms, I am going to have to...Great apocryphote. Like jms, I am going to have to look it up.<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with gender neutralizing, so long as it is not gender-neutering.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466885792177930052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-81590358783794043292008-05-08T17:31:00.000-07:002008-05-08T17:31:00.000-07:00jms,yes on all counts here.MM is a positive leader...jms,<BR/><BR/>yes on all counts here.<BR/><BR/>MM is a positive leader in encratic traditions.<BR/><BR/>[...] indicates holes in manuscript itself or eroded text that is unreadable.<BR/><BR/>Emmel is a good translation.April DeConickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616757055618151612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-32996904826858040872008-05-08T15:26:00.000-07:002008-05-08T15:26:00.000-07:00Btw, Dr. D....Are Emmel's pauses the untranslatabl...Btw, Dr. D....<BR/><BR/>Are Emmel's pauses the untranslatable parts???<BR/><BR/>"The Savior said to his disciples, "Already the time has come, brothers, for us to abandon our labor and stand at rest. For whoever stands at rest will rest forever. And I say to you, be always above [...] time [...] you [...] be afraid of [...] you [...] anger is fearful [...] arouse anger [...] but since you have [...] they accepted these words concerning it with fear and trembling, and it set them up with governors, for from it nothing was forthcoming. ..."<BR/><BR/>Thanks in advance!!R.Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433343215023187850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-7082126407105323062008-05-08T15:22:00.000-07:002008-05-08T15:22:00.000-07:00Dr. D,I googled your book and, man, that chapter s...Dr. D,<BR/><BR/>I googled your book and, man, that chapter sounds real interesting. I should get the book. Thank you!<BR/><BR/>Concerning Dialogue of the Savior, I found this one online...<BR/><BR/>Stephen Emmel's English Translation<BR/><BR/>Is this as good as any?<BR/><BR/>Concerning...<BR/><BR/>"...Sex and the Serpent in Ancient Christianity. So there will be more to come..."<BR/><BR/>Right on! Thanks!<BR/><BR/>Btw, in light of....<BR/><BR/>"The text seems to be interacting with mainstream western Christianity which was closing women out of leadership roles."<BR/><BR/>...although I'm not clear on how this particular excerpt demonstrates this (as the rest of this idea is in the chapter you mentioned?), can one can say that this particular gnostic group (like most?) would have esteemed Mary of Magdalene rather than trashing her like the western church(es) did?<BR/><BR/>Just tryin' to put the pieces together.R.Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433343215023187850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-598233199776901722008-05-08T14:14:00.000-07:002008-05-08T14:14:00.000-07:00Encratic comes from a greek word that means "self-...Encratic comes from a greek word that means "self-control." These Christians were severe ascetics, even saying that marriage was a sinful state. It has to do with their interpretation of the Genesis story, which is a longer story than I can write in this comment. I go over much of this ground in a chapter in Recovering called "The Restoration of Eden" if you are interested.<BR/><BR/>The Dialogue of the Savior is part of the Nag Hammadi collection, so there are many translations of it available.<BR/><BR/>Who wrote this? Probably a leader in the early Syrian church in Edessa. The text seems to be interacting with mainstream western Christianity which was closing women out of leadership roles. This text is countering this tendency. I'm actually writing about this in my new book Sex and the Serpent in Ancient Christianity. So there will be more to come...April DeConickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616757055618151612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6536854065433425156.post-38122244170272807692008-05-08T13:27:00.000-07:002008-05-08T13:27:00.000-07:00This is really deep. Man, I'd love to read the who...This is really deep. Man, I'd love to read the whole thing!<BR/><BR/>Dr. D., what does "encratic" mean? <BR/><BR/>Is this (whole) book? (Dialogue of the Savior) translated, and if so, could I read it?<BR/><BR/>And who wrote these words? Priests? Bishops? And of which Christian sect, if you would?R.Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433343215023187850noreply@blogger.com